The plot thickens

September 9, 2009

Brian Donnelly is certainly working over-time on this one.  Read today’s story in the Herald and then I’ll comment. 

Threat of plot to split kirk over gay ministers

Brian Donnelly

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Published on 9 Sep 2009

Evangelicals are plotting a split with the main body of the Church of Scotland over gay ordination and have held “large gatherings” across Scotland, The Herald can reveal.

The schism the Kirk tried desperately to avoid by postponing an open debate on appointing gay ministers and gagging members from discussing the issue at this year’s General Assembly is moving towards reality.

Churches opposed to the appointment of gay ministers have indicated their movement is growing and that new “leaders” are emerging.

Already, nearly 40 parishes have stood defiant against the Kirk by joining the evangelical group the Fellowship of Confessing Churches, saying they will not accept gay ordination.

They have posted covenants in churches supporting male/female relationships.

The Rev Louis Kinsey of St Columba’s in Aberdeen was one of six ministers in north-east Scotland that joined the fellowship after Rev Scott Rennie, who lives with his male partner, was confirmed to his appointment at Queen’s Cross Church in the city.  Rev Kinsey, a married father of two who has been a minister since 1991, defied the gagging order to declare that he believes a schism is “the only logical response to the Church of Scotland’s procrastination at the General Assembly”.  He said: “Groups of evangelicals have met; large gatherings in the north and in the central belt.   “My feeling is that some leadership is now beginning to emerge. A lot of serious and prayerful thought is happening but an obvious way forward has not become clear. “One or two ministers have left the Kirk. Even more members of the Kirk have done so. The summer break has been providential. It has offered time to think and discuss. We are all still in the process of weighing up the possibilities. “No obvious and overt activity should not be taken as a sign that nothing is going on.”

Parishes in Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, the Western Isles and Inverness have joined the fellowship.  Ivor MacDonald of Kilmuir and Stenscholl Church in the Lochcarron and Skye Presbytery, said: “The proponents of homosexual ordination are pushing the Church on a rocky road. Their position is essentially a schismatic one.”  The fellowship’s covenant states that supporters “recognise God’s creation of humankind as male and female and the unchangeable standard of Christian marriage between one man and one woman as the proper place for sexual intimacy and the basis of the family”.  One minister in Glasgow, who asked not to be named, said: “The ministers in the north in particular are almost rebelling. They are talking of a breakaway at the meetings.”

It would be the largest schism in the Kirk since 1843 when a breakaway group formed the Free Church of Scotland after a clash over state intervention in the appointment of ministers The Free Kirk, which advocates male/female relationships, said while it would not wish to capitalise on the Church of Scotland’s crisis new members are welcome.  The Church, which said it is unable to discuss disciplinary breaches such as breaking the gagging order publicly, confirmed that at least one parish, which it refused to name, has indicated that it will withdraw congregational funding to the central Kirk.  Contributions from congregations are a key component of Church of Scotland affiliation and a move to withdraw funding is seen by some as the first step towards a split.

First of all let me make clear that I am not the anonymous minister from Glasgow.  I am not talking to the press. 

Secondly, as the minister of a church which has just voted to join the Fellowship of Confessing Churches we are not plotting to leave the Kirk: at least not yet.  We plan to stay and to argue for what we believe is Biblical orthodoxy in the matter of human sexuality.  If we leave, we don’t have a voice.  We have joined the FCC on that basis.  Our understanding is that the FCC gives like-minded congregations the opportunity to stand together in this matter.  Leaving the Kirk will be the last thing we do! Nor have we a policy of withholding funds. 

Having said that, we are not so naive as to imagine that our argument will necessarily win the day.  So evangelical ministers have been meeting to discuss what happened at the Assembly, how we are going to act during the course of the next two years, and what we might do post-2011.  No-one I know has made any definite plans to leave.

However, you might like to know that at one of those meetings, attended by nearly 200, it was stated authoritatively that before the Assembly the Scott Rennie camp had been in discussions with another denomination with a view to jumping ship should the decision go against him.  So please don’t point the finger at evangelicals and question our loyalty to the Kirk. 

Finally, let me encourage you to join the FCC.  The web-site will tell you all you need to know.

4 Responses to “The plot thickens”

  1. MacPadre Says:

    For one thing, I do not agree with the title of the newspaper article … We ARE the main body of the Kirk, we are not the ones that have moved away form the basis of faith that have the foundation of the Kirk for so many years… and hopefully will be for many years.

  2. dt Says:

    Here are some thoughts of an average evangelical Church member…

    Special Commission
    The Special Commission will be chaired by a judge – a judge will come to a judicial view – he will say that the GA 2009 was right. He will say that discretion should be exercised and some other meaningles stuff about agreement from Presbyteries etc and then we will see the subject dumped till another liberal tests the water – incest, beastiality etc? Then we will go through the whole sorry process again.

    Playing the Game
    Liberals have the Church playing their game. We should simply challenge them – do they believe the Word of God or not?

    Money
    Money talks – evengelicals pay, liberals take. We give God his worth through worship, including our offerings; money given, and spent on keeping the Devil prosperous, seems contrary to God’s worth.

    Timing
    Why our fixation on the 2011 GA? We do not know the time or place, but we know Christ will come to judge; what idiots we will look if he comes back before the Commission reports! He might ask us why we were asleep like the virgin at the wedding in the parable? (Matthew 25)

    History
    The CofS is a marriage of convenience between two different Churches. We would be better off never having merged the two. Marry in haste etc…

  3. Neil Combe Says:

    Two comments:

    1. FCC is fine for congregations whose Kirk Session want to sign up, but it offers no support to ministers who do not have a Kirk Session with the conviction, or the courage, that FCC is something it should join.

    2. Having read the earlier posts about Hamilton Presbytery’s action I am fast coming to the mind that no matter how much we conservatives may see ourselves as truly and faithfully the Church, the liberal establishment is so convinced about its own infallibility that it will continue to ride rough-shod over any conservative opinion and any decision of the assembly which does not suit it.

    Neil Combe

  4. Louise Says:

    Agree with dt above. What are individuals supposed to do who have no local alternatives to go to?


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